Historian Jon Meacham, author of several presidential biographies, thinks that former President Trump helped ignite some of the divisions in the Republican Party. Meacham’s new podcast, “Fate of Fact,” is focused on his belief that the Republican Party “has descended into fantasy, conspiracy and falsehoods.”
“There was a lot of gasoline on the garage floor of the Republican Party, and Trump was a match,” Meacham said in an interview with CBS News chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett for this week’s episode of “The Takeout” podcast. “And that gasoline, I believe, is partly spilled partly because of almost 90 years of a kind of growing disenchantment with the way Republican presidents actually delivered for their conservative base.”
Highlights from this week’s episode:
- Historian Jon Meacham on the state of the Republican Party: “There was a lot of gasoline on the garage floor of the Republican Party, and Trump was a match.”
- The difference between the right and the left: “The left may go crazy and may become dissociated from reality. But if so, it’s going to be this afternoon, not this morning. It hasn’t happened yet.”
- Attack on the Capitol on January 6: “We came as close to losing the country as we know it on January 6 as we have since the Civil War. And I say that with no hyperbole.”
- Confronting the legacy of slavery: “We have to be candid, because if we aren’t candid,then we aren’t rooted in reality.”
Meacham, who is an adviser to President Biden and was close to the late President George H.W. Bush, says that he’s not partisan but believes the issues with the Republican Party compared to the Democrats “are not a ‘both-sides’ problem.”
“The left may go crazy and may become dissociated from reality. But if so, it’s going to be this afternoon, not this morning. It hasn’t happened yet,” Meacham said.
Mr. Trump is still promoting falsehoods about the 2020 election, and his supporters who overran the Capitol in January sought to prevent Congress from certifying Mr. Biden’s Electoral College victory. Most congressional Republicans sided with Mr. Trump, and there is currently an effort to oust House GOP conference chair Liz Cheney from her leadership position because of her criticism of the former president and her refusal to downplay the attack on January 6.
“We came as close to losing the country as we know it on January 6 as we have since the Civil War. And I say that with no hyperbole,” Meacham said, referring to one of the insurrectionists who breached the Capitol while carrying a Confederate flag. “The Confederates didn’t even get into the Capitol during the Civil War, but they did three months ago.”
